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		<title>By: griever</title>
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		<dc:creator>griever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^  What he said.  Darn these timezones. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^  What he said.  Darn these timezones. :P</p>
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		<title>By: DKellis</title>
		<link>http://m3.dasaku.net/why-watch-harem/366/comment-page-1/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>DKellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I watch harem comedies for the humour, but I can&#039;t really name any which had &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; humour all the way. (Unless you want to stretch the definition of &quot;harem&quot; and include &lt;i&gt;Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya&lt;/i&gt;. Or go the other side and include &lt;i&gt;Ouran High School Host Club&lt;/i&gt;.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s just a mindless sort of entertainment which is perfect after stressing out my brain on work. The male protagonist gets caught between his two strong-willed love interests, and both blame him! Funny! The Official Couple go on a date, and their friends tag along to spy on them! Hilarious! Things like that, which would never elicit a laugh from the stratified critics, but which don&#039;t rely on brain power to understand. It&#039;s like watching a sitcom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I watch slice-of-life for the comedy as well, but harem comedies have the additional fun factor of romantic entanglements (which nevertheless get resolved with a Happy Ending, or at least a Status Quo Ending), and (almost by definition) the large number of cute girls.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Weirdly, I&#039;ve actually managed to offend some &lt;i&gt;Clannad&lt;/i&gt; fans by my opinion of the series, and this is an opinion which is &lt;i&gt;favourable&lt;/i&gt;, albeit in a very narrow sense: namely, I mentioned that I wouldn&#039;t mind if I could watch a version of &lt;i&gt;Clannad&lt;/i&gt; which was the same as it is, but with all the angst, the drama, the &lt;i&gt;serious bits&lt;/i&gt;, all carefully surgically removed, and thus leaving the comedy. Because the Fujibayashi twins are awesome, and Sunohara is utterly misplaced in a &lt;i&gt;drama&lt;/i&gt; series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I watch harem comedies for the humour, but I can&#8217;t really name any which had <i>good</i> humour all the way. (Unless you want to stretch the definition of &#8220;harem&#8221; and include <i>Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya</i>. Or go the other side and include <i>Ouran High School Host Club</i>.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a mindless sort of entertainment which is perfect after stressing out my brain on work. The male protagonist gets caught between his two strong-willed love interests, and both blame him! Funny! The Official Couple go on a date, and their friends tag along to spy on them! Hilarious! Things like that, which would never elicit a laugh from the stratified critics, but which don&#8217;t rely on brain power to understand. It&#8217;s like watching a sitcom.</p>
<p>I watch slice-of-life for the comedy as well, but harem comedies have the additional fun factor of romantic entanglements (which nevertheless get resolved with a Happy Ending, or at least a Status Quo Ending), and (almost by definition) the large number of cute girls.</p>
<p>Weirdly, I&#8217;ve actually managed to offend some <i>Clannad</i> fans by my opinion of the series, and this is an opinion which is <i>favourable</i>, albeit in a very narrow sense: namely, I mentioned that I wouldn&#8217;t mind if I could watch a version of <i>Clannad</i> which was the same as it is, but with all the angst, the drama, the <i>serious bits</i>, all carefully surgically removed, and thus leaving the comedy. Because the Fujibayashi twins are awesome, and Sunohara is utterly misplaced in a <i>drama</i> series.</p>
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		<title>By: CCY</title>
		<link>http://m3.dasaku.net/why-watch-harem/366/comment-page-1/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>CCY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: Yeah, I guess a little bit of wish fulfillment is good; you make a good point that believability is one of the most important things to unrealistic setups like harem shows.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally I found a lot to like in all the Key productions so far, but maybe that&#039;s because I looked past a bit of the intrinsic ridiculousness (and the whole get-in-line arc feel to it) and more towards the characters, who, while a bit forced, were very moe. XD Clannad does feel a bit better with the way they&#039;re building up Nagisa and Tomoya&#039;s relationship, though.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;DKellis / Griever: Hmm, that&#039;s another side to it. I didn&#039;t really consider the humor side of harem shows, mainly because I couldn&#039;t think of many that had real humor to it (as opposed to, &#039;hey look, I fell on top of you. laugh.&#039;). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I suppose shows like Clannad could be a good example of funny shows that happen to have some harem elements to it (although arguing that it&#039;s going to stay that way is futile). I personally haven&#039;t watched (or haven&#039;t recgonized that I have watched) a lot of shows that mix harem and comedy; usually I stick to harem for the drama/romance and slice of life for the comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: Yeah, I guess a little bit of wish fulfillment is good; you make a good point that believability is one of the most important things to unrealistic setups like harem shows.</p>
<p>Personally I found a lot to like in all the Key productions so far, but maybe that&#8217;s because I looked past a bit of the intrinsic ridiculousness (and the whole get-in-line arc feel to it) and more towards the characters, who, while a bit forced, were very moe. XD Clannad does feel a bit better with the way they&#8217;re building up Nagisa and Tomoya&#8217;s relationship, though.</p>
<p>DKellis / Griever: Hmm, that&#8217;s another side to it. I didn&#8217;t really consider the humor side of harem shows, mainly because I couldn&#8217;t think of many that had real humor to it (as opposed to, &#8216;hey look, I fell on top of you. laugh.&#8217;). </p>
<p>But I suppose shows like Clannad could be a good example of funny shows that happen to have some harem elements to it (although arguing that it&#8217;s going to stay that way is futile). I personally haven&#8217;t watched (or haven&#8217;t recgonized that I have watched) a lot of shows that mix harem and comedy; usually I stick to harem for the drama/romance and slice of life for the comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: griever</title>
		<link>http://m3.dasaku.net/why-watch-harem/366/comment-page-1/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>griever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with DKellis...I watch harems (sparingly) for comedy.</description>
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		<title>By: DKellis</title>
		<link>http://m3.dasaku.net/why-watch-harem/366/comment-page-1/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>DKellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you asked me that word association test, I&#039;d have responded: &quot;fun!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most of the time, I watch harem shows because for the most part, what I watch are the harem &lt;i&gt;comedies&lt;/i&gt;, rather than the dramas. It&#039;s a chance for me to de-stress and unwind after a long day. There&#039;s damned little to laugh about without reservations in the Real World, so I treasure every chuckle I get in a harem show, when all I need to think about is how amazingly cute this character is, or how amusing the situations can get.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Weirdly enough, too much schadenfreude is unfunny to me, which is why several harem comedies (&lt;i&gt;Seto no Hanayome&lt;/i&gt;, for instance) don&#039;t really appeal to me that much. But I don&#039;t really care how many cliches or lazy plots there are in a show, as long as it gives me plenty of cute girls to look at (and has the screentime focus on those girls), has enough comedy (preferably witty banter or Boke/Tsukkomi), and doesn&#039;t try to take itself way too seriously.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suppose it could be considered wish fulfilment in a way: it&#039;s not that I wish I had a girlfriend like one of the female haremettes, but more that I had friends &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; the haremettes, who are easy on the eyes, and also aren&#039;t as apathetic/cynical as most people I meet in Real Life. Cynics, after all, are not &lt;i&gt;moe&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you asked me that word association test, I&#8217;d have responded: &#8220;fun!&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of the time, I watch harem shows because for the most part, what I watch are the harem <i>comedies</i>, rather than the dramas. It&#8217;s a chance for me to de-stress and unwind after a long day. There&#8217;s damned little to laugh about without reservations in the Real World, so I treasure every chuckle I get in a harem show, when all I need to think about is how amazingly cute this character is, or how amusing the situations can get.</p>
<p>Weirdly enough, too much schadenfreude is unfunny to me, which is why several harem comedies (<i>Seto no Hanayome</i>, for instance) don&#8217;t really appeal to me that much. But I don&#8217;t really care how many cliches or lazy plots there are in a show, as long as it gives me plenty of cute girls to look at (and has the screentime focus on those girls), has enough comedy (preferably witty banter or Boke/Tsukkomi), and doesn&#8217;t try to take itself way too seriously.</p>
<p>I suppose it could be considered wish fulfilment in a way: it&#8217;s not that I wish I had a girlfriend like one of the female haremettes, but more that I had friends <i>like</i> the haremettes, who are easy on the eyes, and also aren&#8217;t as apathetic/cynical as most people I meet in Real Life. Cynics, after all, are not <i>moe</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re more or less right--there is nothing intrinsically wrong with one genre over another, even the harem genre. But it really is as a genre prone to the most exploitation, the most cliches, and the most lazy storytelling out of all the currently popular anime genres in fandom. (Classic example: Nagasarete Airantou.) There is also nothing wrong intrinsically with wish fulfillment in fiction, idealization, and the like. It&#039;s just that at least for me, the writers forget that for escapism to be believable and complete, you still have to have a modicum of emotional realism amidst the fantasy and wish fulfilling. There needs to be a hook or else it just seems unmotivated and random. A little of that leaven can make the whole loaf rise: witness Clannad, which is the least annoying so far of Key productions precisely because it has some more believable interaction and emotions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re more or less right&#8211;there is nothing intrinsically wrong with one genre over another, even the harem genre. But it really is as a genre prone to the most exploitation, the most cliches, and the most lazy storytelling out of all the currently popular anime genres in fandom. (Classic example: Nagasarete Airantou.) There is also nothing wrong intrinsically with wish fulfillment in fiction, idealization, and the like. It&#8217;s just that at least for me, the writers forget that for escapism to be believable and complete, you still have to have a modicum of emotional realism amidst the fantasy and wish fulfilling. There needs to be a hook or else it just seems unmotivated and random. A little of that leaven can make the whole loaf rise: witness Clannad, which is the least annoying so far of Key productions precisely because it has some more believable interaction and emotions.</p>
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