Just because you have a harem doesn’t mean you can treat me like this ;_;

Actually, that’s precisely what it means.

@lk: Silly tsuntsun lolikitsune, I was just talking about my Kyou example (I didn’t need someone barging in and shouting “LOL KYOTOANIMU CLANNAD IS MOE SHIT”). Just because you have a harem doesn’t mean you can treat me like this ;_;

@Nazarielle:Yeah, KnJ has an anime adaptation under its belt and a few OVA-like substances in the works; I can’t say whether it matches up to the manga or not, however.

I understand what you mean though, I have a hard time with reading a lot of manga for the same reasons; but there are still some that manage to strike me as rather awesome (this, Liar Game, Hayate no Gotoku, and one you’ll see in a few days), and the fact that they work -despite- being manga is that much cooler.

And I think my point is that it’s justifiable fanservice, like the case in NHnH you bring up. I’m not up for the blatant fanservice either.

@Josh: I probably shouldn’t beat on Akikan so hard, given that I haven’t actually had a chance to judge it outside of ‘that’s a really stupid premise’, but … that’s a really stupid premise.

And yes, Shuffle was the example I was looking for in terms of “good show despite gratuitous fanservice” … but I don’t know if Shuffle appeals to a lot of people. It’s fairly deep in the harem end o’ things.

Did I mention something about a comedy? I forget … the mood in KnJ is tough to gauge and it does flip back and forth on both sides of lighthearted … it’s probably closer to a slice-of-life than a real drama or comedy, since it doesn’t keep one mood for too long. That’s an interesting topic.

@lelangir: And I know exactly what you’re talking about – I read this article and had it saved for my KnJ post, but forgot when I was writing. http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/05/07/kodomo-no-jikan-in-which-i-am-going-to-mind-fuck-you-till-you-own-up-to-your-shit/

@ItAintEazy: That’s a fairly reasonable point; maybe she just never actually felt the urge to satisfy herself until she saw the adult images / video / etc earlier in ch. 42. It’s kind of like, she knows that her area ‘down there’ is something taboo to show to people, so she tries to seduce Aoki with it to get a reaction, but she didn’t know she could do -that- with it.

I feel a little less comfortable trying to argue things like this, though. XD

@jp: I think you win again, good sir. That sounds fairly accurate.

It’s a slim line that people don’t want to come anywhere close to crossing, either way, probably because either it’s a disturbing topic or it’s one that is uncomfortable for them to discuss (but that’s because they’re lame and closed-minded :X)

(This is just an example of the subset of people who liked Clannad but hated Kyou; moe detractors as a whole need not apply.)

Guess I’m never posting a comment here again.

Not that Shuffle necessarily has a lolicon aspect to it itself, but I found this the case when I was checking out the show on hulu. When they decided to get fan service happy, it greatly annoyed me at that moment, but it didn’t necessarily result in me condemning the show overall (though there have been some shows where the fan service was so excessive that I have condemned the entire show for it)

“For example, kissing in order to infuse carbon dioxide into women”

Man, Akikan is getting slammed lol (and deservedly so).

Now, I haven’t seen KnJ, and I don’t particularly have a desire too. Having stated that, I guess my main argument is that, if she has this perversion because “her family situation, her social introversion yet extroversion. It’s an elaborate cry for attention, with Aoki as the target,” then I would find such behavior more acceptable if it were, say, a drama instead of a comedy, where the behavior is seen as a serious fault or problem that needs to be fixed instead of something to primarily laugh at. I mean, would a show like Koi Kaze be as respected if it were more of a comedy instead of a drama? I seem to doubt it.

Maybe it is dealt in that way to an extent in KnJ – as I said, I haven’t read or seen it. I’m just saying that, it’s hard to make the case that showing what she does in the show is OK because of her “family situation” when the ultimate result is a comedy.