(Part of a 12-day series fondly remembering some of the best moments in anime this year. Participants include: lolikitsune, lelangir, FuyuMaiden, IKnight, Zeroblade, Nazarielle, ghostlightning, TheBigN, ETERNAL, Mike, A Day Without Me, digitalboy, Josh, otou-san, Culchann and Pontifus, IcyStorm, Cokematic,
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Am I a pedophile yet?
Certainly, twelve months ago, that’s what I would have thought about people who read Kodomo no Jikan.
After all, the manga features both 1) small children, 2) fanservice, and 3) fanservice of small children, which quickly draws people to the conclusion that anyone who reads it needs to burn at the stake.
The lolicon topic is a hot one on the anime scene, if not because it can arguably called one of the most illegal aspects of anime (piracy notwithstanding) and one that taints its face the most.
Because although harem pandering, pointless action, and flashy hair colors are kind of strange, what may equate to animated CP is much less ambiguous when it comes to the law.
This point can be argued relatively reasonably; although it certainly is not CP (given that no one comes to harm directly unlike it’s real-life counterpart) … it’s not exactly a high-brow art.
The problem of course, comes when we slowly slide down the scale of lolicon, with Kodomo no Jikan near one end and Cardcaptor Sakura near the other. At one point is the line white and what point is is black?
And the anti-lolicons will paint the line black on a huge part of the scale; anything even moe regarding young characters will fall under fire. If a character’s flat, suddenly they’re loli. And thus Touhou has been proven to be lolipron.
It’s this danger of the slippery slope, that gives Kodomo no Jikan such unnecessary flak.
12 Moments of Anime 2008
#09: Kodomo no Jikan (manga) – Chapter 42

I can’t deny that Kodomo no Jikan has some elements that might be awkward to some. After all, it wouldn’t get such a negative reputation otherwise.
Kodomo no Jikan has what can be termed in many instances, fanservice. Such fanservice may not be to everyone’s tastes.
But you have to remember, that fanservice does not automatically a bad anime make. Certainly, it may decrease the quality of an anime, at that local point; but it does not damn it to the lower levels of hell.
The best case in point is the 17th episode of Clannad I cited for moment 12; perhaps Kyou’s delicious thighs were not to your tastes. If so, I’m sure Clannad redeemed itself more than a little throughout the rest of the season, in one way or another, through the characters and stories of Nagisa, or Tomoyo, or Tomoya, or Kotomi (no, really).
(This is just an example of the subset of people who liked Clannad but hated Kyou; moe detractors as a whole need not apply.)
Kodomo no Jikan may have had a larger amount of service, and service with perhaps less class than that of Clannad’s, but I still believe the manga still has much redeeming value.

Even the fanservice, I think, has a point.
Many anime and manga try to get away with fanservice with absurd, if not pointless reasons. For example, kissing in order to infuse carbon dioxide into women (this is not a common theme at all in my 12 Posts).
However, the wildly sexual antics of Rin Kokonoe are actually, at times, explained, something unheard of to the perverted manga KnJ is often lumped in with.
The characters in Kodomo no Jikan mature like the best in a visual novel adaptation, showing multiple strengths and weaknesses that make them well-rounded and … well, realistic in a sense.
Sure, maybe it’s not incredibly realistic to have a panty-flashing, dirty-word-spouting, crotch-groping third-grader in real life, but Kodomo no Jikan does work to make it realistic – this is the crux of what makes it work.
For all the shouting done about realism in games and anime, people miss an important point – it’s not really realism that a lot of us is searching for.

It’s consistency, suspension of disbelief.
Realism is outside. We can go to realism anytime we wanted (and we should, for those NEETs in the crowd).
What we – or at least I – would rather have in an anime, instead of realism, is a gripping story, one that draws us in and never kicks us out.
It can be close to reality, in the case of Kodomo no Jikan. It can be distant, like Gurren Lagann. It’s not necessary for the universe in the story to be sensible in the real world – only sensible within itself.
And Rin’s perversion is explained through her family situation, her social introversion yet extroversion. It’s an elaborate cry for attention, with Aoki as the target.
Even the other characters; Usa and her awkward, naive demeanor, the various teachers (who as I may note are not pedobait for those doubters in the crowd) and their personality quirks, their emotional wants and needs, are explained in reasonable depth.
Kodomo no Jikan becomes not just a flat plane (insert DFC joke here), not just Aoki and Rin, but a three-dimensional world, where Aoki interacts with diverse groups of people, not just the kids, but the parents, the teachers, playing all sorts of roles in between.

And bringing us to the moment discussed here, I adore Kodomo no Jikan not just for how fully-fleshed it is, but for how daring it is, how much it charts new territory.
The ability to challenge the reader’s view of ordinary, to do something different from normal anime and manga, is something I prize greatly. It’s why I worship Higurashi. Why School Days is a 9 on my scale. Even why I originally had Welcome to the NHK slated for this slot instead.
And Kodomo no Jikan definitely goes to places no other non-hentai manga will do. I think I’ll just put it bluntly.
Rin, the fourth-grade girl, masturbates.
Not going to see that in any old manga, now will you?

And I can say that this moment didn’t offend me at all. It’s not nearly as explicit as you would imagine (it may be a bit gratituous, but not to the point of lewdness), and it made me happy to see such topics touched upon in the story.
After all, I can have the utmost faith that it will be touched upon with maturity. This is my faith in Kodomo no Jikan, in that it does things with a purpose, that it’s not characters built upon a story but a story built upon characters.
In the end, this is about all I can say about Kodomo no Jikan. For some reason, this post was a tough one, despite my strong feelings to convert people to the manga.
It really is a view-breaker, for those who are almost religiously anti-lolicon. It may be a tough start at first, but what appears to be straight-up fanservice quickly melts away to show a strong heart.
It’s a touching story about the power of … uh, I mean, the maturing of youth.
-CCY
Addendum: The day after I wrote this post, I had a little conversation with lolikitsune about Kodomo no Jikan. I feel that it adds a few useful points to the ones I made, in addition to countering a few; so on the whole, it makes the argument more fleshed out. I’m thankful to him for that, but a bit too exhausted to rewrite my post, so instead I’ll include the conversation as a whole for you to peruse:
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(12:16:13) CCY: hahaha something like that.
(12:19:02) CCY: wwwww so the chapter in question from the manga I’ve been trying to download
(12:19:11) CCY: has been removed from like all the popular hosting sites for violating TOS
(12:19:13) CCY: I am amused
(12:19:18) lolikitsune: what manga?
(12:19:20) CCY: kodomo no jikan
(12:19:24) lolikitsune: oh lol
(12:19:27) CCY: yeah pretty much
(12:19:31) lolikitsune: >_<
(12:19:51) CCY: it’s actually quite good, and I can speak with the conscience of a non-pedo
(12:20:01) lolikitsune: eh
(12:20:08) lolikitsune: it has its share of major faults
(12:20:17) CCY: do tell
(12:20:21) CCY: I had an exceptionally hard time writing the post
(12:20:25) lolikitsune: oh god my tag coud keeps expanding
(12:20:32) lolikitsune: well in the end
(12:20:33) CCY: hahaha wow
(12:20:36) lolikitsune: rin’s character makes no sense
(12:20:46) lolikitsune: and the work has a lot of unnecessary fanservice
(12:21:03) CCY: which is I assume why you say her character makes no sense?
(12:21:18) lolikitsune: … uh, yeah. it’s connected at least.
(12:21:21) CCY: mmm
(12:21:33) CCY: both valid-ish
(12:21:48) CCY: I thought they did a reasonable job at explaining Rin’s character as some form of attention-whoring
(12:21:56) CCY: it is a bit overboard, but it’s plausible enough for me
(12:21:57) lolikitsune: attention-whoring makes sense
(12:22:05) CCY: and like hell I’ve seen less realism elsewhere
(12:22:07) lolikitsune: but kids don’t attention-whore like that
(12:22:19) lolikitsune: … you’ve seen a lot of things more realistic than her behavior
(12:22:20) lolikitsune: trust me
(12:22:30) CCY: maybe I’m comparing it to too low a bar
(12:22:36) lolikitsune: H2o?
(12:22:38) CCY: hahaha
(12:22:41) lolikitsune: :P
(12:22:46) CCY: oh man
(12:22:51) lolikitsune: never seen h2o, couldn’t get through first ep
(12:22:52) CCY: I’m going to have such a fun (hard) time justifying that one
(12:23:00) lolikitsune: i just bash it with you
(12:23:05) lolikitsune: and only because you respond
(12:23:21) CCY: I mean, but if you stick KnJ versus probably at least half of the VNs out there
(12:23:41) CCY: can you really say your average VN girl is less plausible in their pseudo-pandering? yet they still have intriguing stories.
(12:23:49) lolikitsune: …
(12:24:19) lolikitsune: “average” in a medium so enfilthed in garbage, nay, shit, is hardly a standard.
(12:24:28) CCY: hnnnnnnng true
(12:24:35) CCY: is putting it next to even the Key standard too low?
(12:24:48) lolikitsune: the key standard is pretty crappy i’ve come to realize
(12:24:51) CCY: it’s more widely accepted, even if it is still quite implausible
(12:24:56) lolikitsune: :P
(12:25:02) lolikitsune: a lot of things are widely accepted
(12:25:03) lolikitsune: like
(12:25:04) lolikitsune: war
(12:25:10) CCY: but not loliservice
(12:25:41) lolikitsune: i’m just saying, something isn’t made legit due to acceptance
(12:25:46) CCY: right, right
(12:25:56) lolikitsune: and thusly something widely accepted can’t be used as a bar for intelligent types such as ourselves
(12:26:00) lolikitsune: or rather
(12:26:02) lolikitsune: can’t automatically be
(12:26:12) CCY: I’ll agree.
(12:26:22) lolikitsune: just to shut me up?
(12:26:26) lolikitsune: fuck you i like being contrary
(12:26:32) CCY: no
(12:26:35) CCY: I walked myself into a corner there
(12:26:39) CCY: you’re allowed to win things
(12:26:43) CCY: give me a minute to either
(12:26:47) CCY: come up with a counter or to flame you
(12:27:03) lolikitsune: lol
(12:27:34) CCY: well, I guess what I want
(12:27:41) CCY: is at least for people to argue KnJ at your level
(12:27:51) CCY: instead of ZOMG THIRD GRADERS FLASHING SKIRTS BAD
(12:28:02) lolikitsune: ZOMG THIRD GRADERS FLASHING VAG BAD
(12:28:07) CCY: did they?
(12:28:08) lolikitsune: how’s that
(12:28:10) lolikitsune: yes
(12:28:11) CCY: hahaha
(12:28:21) lolikitsune: there’s some pretty atrocious stuff in knj
(12:28:29) CCY: …damn it
(12:28:30) lolikitsune: ;)
(12:28:36) CCY: I know exactly what you are talking about too
(12:28:40) lolikitsune: it’s not always rainbows and panties
(12:28:49) lolikitsune: it’s vaginas that move things along
(12:28:50) CCY: and I probably cite -the- worst one tommorow (although it’s not fanservice, it’s risque)
(12:29:02) CCY: ugh, what I need is an example of ‘fanservice does not a bad anime’ make
(12:29:06) lolikitsune: right not -all- the pedo stuff in the work is fanservice
(12:29:12) lolikitsune: some of it is just disturbing
(12:29:13) lolikitsune: ;)
(12:29:16) CCY: well yeah
(12:29:19) CCY: I guess my problem is
(12:29:22) CCY: I appreciate stuff like that
(12:29:26) CCY: like Higurashi, or H2O, or whatever
(12:29:31) CCY: stuff that does stuff different
(12:29:35) lolikitsune: i’m fine with the disturbing stuff
(12:29:41) lolikitsune: i’m just saying it’s very real
(12:29:49) lolikitsune: you can’t expect people not to react negatively to it
(12:29:56) CCY: oh, that’s a good angle
(12:30:14) lolikitsune: and beyond that there’s a lot of pedo stuff in there that IS fanservice, and a lot of people see THAT as unnecessary (and disgusting)
(12:30:45) lolikitsune: if the pedo element were only fanservice, you’d have a larger crowd of people going “lol it’s just fanservice, what gives” and standing up for the work
(12:31:14) lolikitsune: if the pedo element were only plot-related and dark, you’d have a larger crowd of people going “but it’s not titillating, it’s meaningful” and standing up for the work
(12:31:19) lolikitsune: you see it’s the dynamic of having both present
(12:31:27) lolikitsune: alienates a lot of people who might otherwise be able to deal with the pedo stuff
(12:31:47) CCY: because the ‘deep’ people don’t stand up for the fanservice, and the pedos don’t stand up for the plot, if I understand correct?
(12:32:11) lolikitsune: right on the first count, but it’s not about pedos not standing up for the plot
(12:32:20) lolikitsune: so much as it’s hardened otaku not caring about whether something’s loli
(12:32:30) lolikitsune: and thus writing off fanservice as fanservice and not giving a hoot
(12:32:46) CCY: ah
(12:32:46) lolikitsune: /me shrugs
(12:32:56) lolikitsune: people usually have one, and only one, excuse that they tell themselves
(12:33:10) lolikitsune: when they’re justifying how they’re able to consume something that’s “alternate”
(12:33:32) lolikitsune: so i think KnJ which presents something “alternate” from multiple angles, confuses a lot of people
(12:33:38) CCY: damn it lk
(12:33:44) CCY: I’m the one writing 2000 word tl;dr crap
(12:34:07) CCY: and yet you just totally kicked ass in a screenful
(12:34:13) CCY: do more analytical stuff D:
(12:34:19) lolikitsune: hahahah sorry dude
(12:34:31) lolikitsune: feel free to post the convo or something?
(12:34:34) lolikitsune: :P
(12:34:41) CCY: I’ll probably cite it at the end or something
(12:34:50) CCY: since I’m mentally drained to rewrite the post (got 8 more to do :X)
(12:34:56) CCY: but yeah thanks for some interesting insight
(12:35:09) lolikitsune: eh
(12:35:14) lolikitsune: i wasn’t trying to change your post you know
(12:35:20) lolikitsune: was just responding to things you said T_T
(12:35:29) CCY: I know
(12:35:38) CCY: but I feel I could make better arguments or points with what you brought up
December 17, 2008 - 12:31 am
Oh god I wasn’t expecting that conversation to be that long when I clicked show :p
Going back a day (or is it two?) to Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu, I was initially quite a bit shocked when they did pretty blatant panty flashes of a character I thought was quite the loli. It turned out she’s not THAT young (not fourth grade as you said in this series), but it still caught me way off guard and I wasn’t really sure what to think of it.
Did this manga get an anime adaptation by the way? The name seems vaguely familiar. Anyway, for some reason, I have an absurdly difficult time reading manga. Perhaps it’s the lack of voices and music or something, but I feel like I’m missing part of the mood of the story, and so I lose interest really quickly. I’m not typically ADD or anything (I can marathon a 25 episode anime series easily), but for some reason I can’t read manga for more than an hour at the very best. I’ve been trying to read the Claymore manga to see how and where it differs from the anime (I’m told the last 5 or so episodes are completely different), but I don’t think I’ve made it past chapter 40 and I’ve been trying to read it for almost a month now.
I’m sure there was a point I was trying to make in here somewhere, but my brain is getting really sluggish, so I’ll just end by saying that for me, fanservice tends to bother me. I tried to watch Rosario + Vampire, but I didn’t last 10 minutes before all the panty flashing and breast baring overwhelmed my senses and I couldn’t stand it anymore. It’s not so much the fanservice itself, I guess it’s how it’s delivered. The fanservice in Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu was mostly just what Yuuto was seeing anyway, and so you could kinda justify it that way, even though at times it was pretty blatant no matter how you tried to excuse it.
December 17, 2008 - 1:30 am
Seconded; animation is by its very nature unrealistic, and any attempt at total realism would be a disservice to the form. In its potential for visual impact and ability to make the most figurative, most outrageous things palatable, animation is more than capable of capturing the spirit of reality without itself being very realistic. IMO, anyway.
December 17, 2008 - 5:43 am
“But you have to remember, that fanservice does not automatically a bad anime make. Certainly, it may decrease the quality of an anime, at that local point; but it does not damn it to the lower levels of hell.”
Not that Shuffle necessarily has a lolicon aspect to it itself, but I found this the case when I was checking out the show on hulu. When they decided to get fan service happy, it greatly annoyed me at that moment, but it didn’t necessarily result in me condemning the show overall (though there have been some shows where the fan service was so excessive that I have condemned the entire show for it)
“For example, kissing in order to infuse carbon dioxide into women”
Man, Akikan is getting slammed lol (and deservedly so).
Now, I haven’t seen KnJ, and I don’t particularly have a desire too. Having stated that, I guess my main argument is that, if she has this perversion because “her family situation, her social introversion yet extroversion. It’s an elaborate cry for attention, with Aoki as the target,” then I would find such behavior more acceptable if it were, say, a drama instead of a comedy, where the behavior is seen as a serious fault or problem that needs to be fixed instead of something to primarily laugh at. I mean, would a show like Koi Kaze be as respected if it were more of a comedy instead of a drama? I seem to doubt it.
Maybe it is dealt in that way to an extent in KnJ – as I said, I haven’t read or seen it. I’m just saying that, it’s hard to make the case that showing what she does in the show is OK because of her “family situation” when the ultimate result is a comedy.
December 17, 2008 - 6:44 am
Guess I’m never posting a comment here again.
December 17, 2008 - 7:08 am
I’d link to itsubun’s great write-up on the exact same subject matter but I can’t find it:(
December 17, 2008 - 9:03 am
Shocking as it was, I didn’t think that chapter made a lot of sense, especially considering the runner up for the most shocking chapter, 27 ( I was almost going to say 28, but I’ll give it a benefit of the doubt and assume there was no sexual intent there) had a scene where Rin invided Aoki-sensei to give her oral sex. So you are telling me she knew where to get stimulated, but have yet to hear of masturbation till later? I’m not entirely convinced.
December 17, 2008 - 9:55 am
Perhaps what you are trying to say is that people misinterpret KnJ in, that it “they” think that it sexualizes children, when the more accurate analysis would be to say that KnJ is about children’s sexuality? Not only that, but the latter is probably even more taboo.
December 17, 2008 - 9:58 am
uguu i guess I should reply to comments
@lk: Silly tsuntsun lolikitsune, I was just talking about my Kyou example (I didn’t need someone barging in and shouting “LOL KYOTOANIMU CLANNAD IS MOE SHIT”). Just because you have a harem doesn’t mean you can treat me like this ;_;
@Nazarielle:Yeah, KnJ has an anime adaptation under its belt and a few OVA-like substances in the works; I can’t say whether it matches up to the manga or not, however.
I understand what you mean though, I have a hard time with reading a lot of manga for the same reasons; but there are still some that manage to strike me as rather awesome (this, Liar Game, Hayate no Gotoku, and one you’ll see in a few days), and the fact that they work -despite- being manga is that much cooler.
And I think my point is that it’s justifiable fanservice, like the case in NHnH you bring up. I’m not up for the blatant fanservice either.
@Josh: I probably shouldn’t beat on Akikan so hard, given that I haven’t actually had a chance to judge it outside of ‘that’s a really stupid premise’, but … that’s a really stupid premise.
And yes, Shuffle was the example I was looking for in terms of “good show despite gratuitous fanservice” … but I don’t know if Shuffle appeals to a lot of people. It’s fairly deep in the harem end o’ things.
Did I mention something about a comedy? I forget … the mood in KnJ is tough to gauge and it does flip back and forth on both sides of lighthearted … it’s probably closer to a slice-of-life than a real drama or comedy, since it doesn’t keep one mood for too long. That’s an interesting topic.
@lelangir: And I know exactly what you’re talking about – I read this article and had it saved for my KnJ post, but forgot when I was writing. http://that.animeblogger.net/2008/05/07/kodomo-no-jikan-in-which-i-am-going-to-mind-fuck-you-till-you-own-up-to-your-shit/
@ItAintEazy: That’s a fairly reasonable point; maybe she just never actually felt the urge to satisfy herself until she saw the adult images / video / etc earlier in ch. 42. It’s kind of like, she knows that her area ‘down there’ is something taboo to show to people, so she tries to seduce Aoki with it to get a reaction, but she didn’t know she could do -that- with it.
I feel a little less comfortable trying to argue things like this, though. XD
@jp: I think you win again, good sir. That sounds fairly accurate.
It’s a slim line that people don’t want to come anywhere close to crossing, either way, probably because either it’s a disturbing topic or it’s one that is uncomfortable for them to discuss (but that’s because they’re lame and closed-minded :X)
December 17, 2008 - 10:23 am
Actually, that’s precisely what it means.
December 17, 2008 - 6:04 pm
well, you didn’t mention comedy, but it seemed to be advertised as such, at least the tv show, from what I saw. maybe the manga is different *shrugs* as I said I haven’t seen/read it.
December 18, 2008 - 7:13 pm
For things like KnJ to be given a fair shake, there has to be a willingness to be open enough to except that things like children’s sexuality could and probably does occur, as squicky as that can sound. But I’m not sure that most people are willing to do that yet, and the way KnJ demonstrates the idea and what it could mean doesn’t help, as others have said. It also doesn’t mean that it’s the main point of the work either, but it’s definitely the one that gets the most fanfare. :P