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So now that we (and the industry) are all going to diePosted by: CCY in Analysis, Ranting, tags: Analysis, Ranting Undertaker: “Bring out your dead!” *gong* (incidentally, I just realized there was a trove of better sketches here) Monty Python aside, the American anime industry, depnding on who you ask, is going through anywhere from a small trouble spot to a complete implosion. Like the state of the U.S. economy, there is a lot of awkward coughing and forced smiles being passed around higher-up, and depending on how you look at things there might be a fair bit of slashing prices and rates to encourage purchasing. It’s a time that’s spurred a lot of panic, flaming, sharp sarcasm, and general feeling that would warrant a sad piano track or a dramatic orchestral build, and it’s one that I can’t really ignore much longer, as an American anime fan myself. Like most disturbingly pleasant people, there’s an inner yandere side to this blogger, one that’s getting inflammed at all the reaction to the latest - what would one call it - ‘discussion’. Actually, the ADV implosion-or-not is the lesser concern here; death panics aren’t incredibly new, and they’re rather like trying to light a wet fuse, one that’s been doused in water too many times to be taken seriously unless someone takes a flamethower to the table. Rather, Bandai Visual USA’s much-publicized-by-now move to quickly license, release, and ratchet up the price on current shows True Tears and Shigofumi, and its following discussion, is what really spurred a boxcutter-and-boat-filled inner monologue. It’s the can of gasoline that they left on the table; it could be used to power a car on a trip to somewhere, but right now, people are just playing chicken with it and a lit match…
Not a bad thing in itself, as it’s a great “try before you buy” model, but even the most discipled fansubbers might end up seeing the works circulating around for long after the license is announced; by licensing a show earlier, perhaps even during its airing, the amount of fansubs available for a show will be cut down - not to mention, it’s easier to pinpoint any illicit subs floating about the channels if there are less of them. But, leechers will be leechers, and for every fansub group that follows the rules there will be ten more who toss up fansubs or R1 DVD rips on sites like Tokyo Toshokan. The fact of the matter is that there really is no money to be gained from these people who enjoy “fighting the man” or whatever they’re doing. They wouldn’t buy anime DVDs outside of the rare blue moon. Why? Maybe they’re too expensive, maybe the quality is too low, maybe they just hate even thinking of seeing their characters tainted with English. Any way you put it it’ll be a silly tangent which will go nowhere; kind of like the subs and dubs debate, there’s not a lot to be said that hasn’t been said, or a lot to be done that hasn’t been done. And so, the audience here that really needs to be gone after is the casual to semi-pro anime viewer. The hardcore anime viewer will fall into one of two sections: that who knows all the right connections and channels to get their underground fix for free no matter what, and that who will buy anything anyway. The former has just been discussed, and the latter’s probably shelling money out the butt for R1’s, R2’s, and figurines (among other memorabilia) anyway. The swing vote, so to speak, is the middle ground: the collector with less money to spare, or the fan who is less tied into the community. These people asked for faster releases. Now, Bandai Visual USA is giving them faster releases, with True Tears and Shigofumi landing stateside in May, probably just weeks after the end of their respective airdates in Japan. And yet the discontent in the purchasing community continues. Why? Because the price has gone up. A lot. Those who are optomistic will call this a “fair trade-off”. Those who are realistic will call it “highway robbery.” I understand that these shows are niche shows, I understand that they are getting released at the same time as Japan, and I understand that these companies have mouths to feed too. That is why I am ranting about a topic such as this. But honestly, a price jump like this really signals something wrong with the anime industry. I think, at best, they are deluding themselves into thinking that people will take an almost doubling in premium from past anime DVD release conventions. At roughly $15 (I think that is being on the short side) an episode, compared to perhaps $7 ($25 for a 4-episode disc, rounding up), purchasing anime begins to become a cost that less casual viewers can afford. And this shows in all the criticism - fair and otherwise - of BVUSA’s pricing scheme. Now I feel for the industry too. Essentially, here they have their hands tied. If they raise they prices, everyone moans and no one purchases. If they lower the prices, the profit margin drops. But wait, you say. They may lose profit, but they will sell more! That equals more money! Close. The big “r word” in anime business, as opposed to the “r word” in America, is “reverse importation”. At such cheap prices relative to Japan, R1 DVDs are supposedly quite tempting to spendthrift otaku; after all, they still have a Japanese voice track, which is all they need. The main advantage that R2’s have is speed; the gap between Japanese and American release, sometimes, is very long. And with BVUSA eliminating this gap, what’s stopping Japanese importers? (Aside from, potentially, shipping, if Amazon USA charges $30 for shipping like Amazon Japan does.) And so, it’s kind of ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’. It seems to be either late releases which are cheap, or early releases which are an arm and a leg. But, I wonder - Why the hell is anime so expensive in its native land to begin with? Quite frankly, Japanese anime fans are getting ripped off, more than we are. The key card in most R1 arguments for the industry side, like in any discussion over gas prices, is that “it’s more expensive over there still”. Why do they pay so much for so comparatively little? Theoretically, prices could be lowered there, which would allow prices to be lowered here, which could potentially boost sales. After all, personally, I am willing to drop $10, $15 to test-run a new series, maybe for 3 or 4 episodes, but $30 for one episode? Even I’m not that crazy. Going back to the gas-station analogy, it’s just too much of a jump. If you go to sleep with gas at $3.10 and you wake up and it’s $3.75, are you going to drive as much as before? No way. It’s too much of percieved change. Maybe it seems wrong to say this, but a gradual change is almost always better received than a sudden change. Is it better? Probably not. Either way, you might end up with $40 anime. But, the fact is, people don’t like surprises. Give them the chance to adjust instead of just slapping them up the face and going “kk new rules”. Which brings me to the other ace up the sleeve of R1 anime, digital distribution. It won’t work. In theory, it sounds great. Releasing things on the internet is cheap, it’s easy, and it’s quick. It’s all the things that the masses demand and more. But, I’m not seeing it. Digital distribution requires a lot of compromise which a lot of serious viewers won’t take. Either slow-internet viewers will be peeved off by the long download of a 255 MB file, or the quality-obsessed viewers will take offense to a low bitrate and image quality. And, whether it’s streaming or downloaded, it’s not likely to work. Streaming is kind of silly in concept. After all, you remember, anime is a form of TV, just like anything else that could potentially be on the airwaves. Would you pay money to watch Desperate Housewives? Or Survivor? And only once, too? It’s not a contained movie, after all. You buy anime like you buy TV shows, and that is in bulk, in season releases (mostly), because you support the creators, because you liked watching it and want to see it again. It’s not meant to be a drug hit where you have to fork up (or, at least, queue up) every time. I could see streaming work for series-previewing (something that I think is VERY smart, and I applaud ADV for doing this with Gurren Lagann) And downloading…well, you have high-quality anime video, with subtitles, available on the computer. That’s called fansubs. A lot devout watchers will have trouble paying for something that’s virtually identical as what they could hypothetically get for free. I think DVDs are here to stay, because a bit of the anime-purchasing reasoning is not just to support the creators but to have something for yourself as well. The DVDs are a physical representation of the show you liked, that you could watch anytime, that you can display as a sign of your pride. After all, what the anime industry runs heavily off of us is that collector’s pride, whether it be DVDs, figurines, posters, or more. If BVUSA wants to sell anime to us at Japanese prices, they have to give us Japanese quality, then. Typically, Japanese releases are filled with all sorts of delightful extras, goodies, and material that bare-bones R1 releases lack. This sort of thing strikes me as the thing that would appeal to a lot of viewers who might otherwise be turned off by a $15-20/episode price point. If they want to charge us that much for a TV show, why not give us some of the tangible goodies that come with it too? The feeling of “I supported the industry” won’t merit the price of admission on its own. I think there are a lot of incredibly interesting things that come with Japanese anime DVDs; some may not be the most useful, but isn’t that the point of collecting? A little book detailing the animation or character details, a little drama CD, a poster, little figurine, something, if you ever follow the posts over at Moe Moe Rabu or something, you find there are a lot things that DVDs contain. Most of these are probably limited editions, but still, even the more basic DVDs I imagine, get something. Here, my AIR DVD collection consists of: episodes, previews, and creditless openings. Not even a little card inside, like the old Cardcaptor Sakura DVDs used to hold. There’s a certain appeal to such a basic presentation, for example, cost, and I’m still failing to see just how casual fans (the kind that buy blind and don’t surf forums as rabidly) will take kindly to the price hike without, y’know, not raising the prices as much, but I think the lesson that BV USA needs to keep to heart as they charge into the unknown is: Deliver the quality to match the price. It’s the only way to silence the critics. I applaud them for trying something new in a time in which many companies are simply struggling to keep on a good face and bottom line, and change is definitely necessary in order to keep any semblance of order in this industry that almost shouldn’t be, but they can’t half-ass this one. Very few viewers are willing to pay extra just for a few months’ earlier release (and those people probably would buy R2s anyway). As for ADV…keep breathing. Here’s a good “don’t panic” article over at the Anime Corner Shop. I know it’s worrying, but showing fear in the face of adversity is useless. As you’re balancing 22 stories above the ground, don’t delude yourself into feeling a gale of wind that isn’t there.* After all, the company is committed to bringing anime to its audience. They’re not holding Gurren Lagann, 5cm, Kanon, or whatever from you because they hate you. And why are you so angry about it, anyway? You get to watch your fansubs if they go under, don’t you, eh? So stop saying that ADV’s issues is “why I don’t buy anime DVDs.” Kicking people lying on the floor is aggravating to watch. Same with “I don’t agree with their practices, so I’ll pirate more / flame them / blame the Americans.” They’re not going to change from that, and it’s not going to help anything, but only make it worse. It’s the same thing as the American economy - sitting on your hands and pouting will only make things worse. -CCY
*Well, I had to string in a reference to something, I was beginning to get shaky. (I guess this wasn’t as much of a flaming post as I thought, beginning and end aside. Maybe I HAVE FURY - what happened to that? - only when conceptualizing posts. Incidentally, I wrote this in the back seat of a car, away from happy researching land, so feel free to call me an uninformed idiot who’s talking out his behind…if you have contrary evidence.) (Personally, I am amazed that the entertainment industry - movies and video games as well - still makes money, given all the fun that the internet has with it. I feel so out-of-touch. Maybe I should be swearing about how I walk both ways, uphill, in the snow, to purchase things. Incidentally, to be less of an old man teenager, I’m fine with “try-before-you-buy” downloading; it’s just that the latter, very rarely happens, or is discussed about.) (Final Soapbox: Be civilized, guys. So much haet. CCY hate haet.) If you liked this post, try...10 Responses to “So now that we (and the industry) are all going to die”
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February 1st, 2008 at 1:23 am
Civility? You won’t find any on Earth.
Where fans turn on fans in the name of greed, superiority complexes and lazy thinking, I’m actually shocked we’ve lasted this long.
This community should have been dead a long time ago.
I hear fans talking about the imminent implosion of the animation community, and guess what? Fuckers actually approve of any action taken by shady, inethical businessmen! To save what? The bloody fucking industry!
Justin Sevakis, Zac BerI’mabloodyfucker, the big Bandai (let’s not kid ourselves here, it’s the same Bandai who brings us the gunpla, owns Sunrise and owns Bandai Visual here. Drop the pretense that Bandai Visual is a completely different entity.) fucks who demand more money for faster releases? They’re all fuckers in my eyes? DarkMirage, the majority of bigoted fansubbers and pretty much anyone who think fansubs are t3h win? They’re all bloody fuckers.
You spineless hypocritical fucks. Die in a fire, get ostracized, whatever. If you want to die so badly, I’ll be glad to wring every single bit of life out of you. Or ride that nuke, Dr. Strangelove-style.
Go to Hell.
Get used to the hate. It’s everywhere. And nothing will change that.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:21 am
I normally refrain from blogging or commenting on this issue, because all I ever find myself writing are embittered remarks about unappreciated luxury.
But I find your suggestion that reports of DVD’s demise might be exaggerated quite interesting. I know I do like to have a physical thing representing my love of whatever series it is.
Still, there remains the problem that the HD war doesn’t seem to be over - and I for one haven’t actually seen an HD DVD player in anyone’s home (as opposed to a shop window) yet, though that could be because the UK tends to be more cautious - and HD digisubs look a lot better than DVD equivalents (Gundam 00 is sex on a screen in high resolution). In fact, this isn’t just an issue with HD - my Macross Plus DVDs are genuinely uglier than their fansub equivalents. But I lack the technical knowledge to say why.
Also: Latin is in ur reCAPTCHA, educatin ur visitors.
February 2nd, 2008 at 2:13 am
Actually I need to disagree that streaming is a silly concept. If it is, sites like YouTube and CrunchyRoll would have gone under a long time ago. Why is it that they are thriving even if they dont force charges onto their users? Obviously other forms of revenue streams exist even if you provide free streaming services.
But of course, one could argue that those sites do not have to go through the trouble of getting the license and subbing the shows, which does cost a small fortune. I’ve tried searching before on the cost of licensing + rolling out of anime but the information seems to be pretty difficult to come by. The only thing I got was that it can cost up to $50,000 per episode.
Then again, from the rate these sites are growing, I would say that its very possible to profit in the long run with proper planning and funding.
February 2nd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Drm: Damn it, I want to hate you for swearing and being a jerk but you’re too good at hitting the truth over the head with a lead pipe. Read your article; thanks for the link to the “why are prices so high?” page. Although, it sounds like the process does eventually end up in “how much money can I suck out of the consumer”…just not at the beginning.
But I’m dense. What ‘tree should we be barking up’, then? Or is it that we shouldn’t be at all?
IKnight: Haven’t thought a lot about HD-DVD / Blu-ray anime releases personally, as I’m stuck in the DVD era due to 1) the prohibitive entry fee of Blu-ray and 2) the obscurity of HD-DVD (you are right with your observation). Not sure if anime is releasing in HD-DVD overseas; I know I’ve seen Blu-ray releases, at least. Either way, I’ve seen that the results can be drop-dead sexy if done right - but if it’s a simple upscale, then I don’t know if it’s really worth it. That’s the thing sticking me on anime in higher-def; whether it’s really better-looking, and how much it will increase the cost (to produce in HD, etc.)
After all, I’ve watched 15-year-old anime on DVD on a big screen, and that’s just silly.
Nekonron: My point on the streaming is that it’s silly as a commercial industry, unless it’s a gateway to selling more physical copies. I think it’s good for previewing things and shorter videos, but for selling entire shows over, I’m not seeing it. Youtube and Crunchyroll, I imagine, survive because of huge traffic, and, like you said, no real fees outside of running the server. Plus, since there are so many free sites for it (with dubious copyright rules at times), commercial use of it would be hard. It could supplement income of a show, yes (especially for really old, hard to find shows), but it’s not the sole future.
(Oh, and I fixed your site link. Thanks for the heads up.)
February 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Sorry ’bout that. Too much hate and bitterness when I wrote that (both article and comment). That and all the drama that’s been flying around, plus bigoted opinions from people who spend too much time looking down at people from their ivory towers to actually experience the life of us ordinary people… … …
Like I said, you won’t find civility in this world.
And as for the whole barking up the wrong tree thing, shouldn’t we be rallying over fairer working conditions for the animators and seiyuu, or at least a suitable monthly wage/royalty package? I mean, they are providing a service, after all, shouldn’t they be paid appropriately?
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:39 pm
I’m not sure one way or the other. Personally, I do think free streaming would be the way to go, if they can get the ad revenue to go along with it (and that’s the key.) Personally, I think the whole reverse importation thing is silly. It’s like the industry saying “Oh wait, well we know that we overcharge our customers, we don’t want you coming along and undercutting us. Because this isn’t like capitalism or anything.” (Incidentally there is a good counter-argument to that, but that’s neither here nor there.)
Personally, I think they need to go after the YouTube/fansub crowd. I mean that’s the money they’re losing, evidently. Or at least that the money they keep saying that their losing. So I guess the question becomes how to do attract a crowd that is already getting it for free.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 am
Seems like ADV is going Blu-Ray with its future releases but I worry about the prices and public response. DVDs are already having a hard time selling and as you’ve said only a select group of fans would actually buy them.
About streaming again, if one would assume that it cost $50k to release one episode, and a company releases 3 different series simultaneously (which is a fair amount), we could estimate that the weekly cost would be around $150k, and $600k/month. I think its very possible to recoup that amount of money every month just from revenues generated online through streaming and seeing how something like this would generate a lot of publicity the traffic could take off almost immediately.
It might seem very risky, especially with the amount of initial investment and work required, but it could be where the future lies in my opinion.
And thanks for fixing the link :D
February 6th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Personally I’m in agreement that free streaming is the way to go if they can get the ad revenue to go with it. If you offer to pay fansub groups to do the subs for you and just hand them the script ahead of time, you might even dry up enough of the fansubbers that most of the hardcore fans(especially the poor college student type) will just watch their anime that way. You can also offer a “free” download that works for only a week(I’m looking at YOU Apple TV) if streaming itself is just too impractical, and either way you can offer entire series on an episode by episode basis for something like $3 an episode(maybe a discount if you just buy the whole damn series), and watch to your heart’s content.
Then the R1 companies can be like “hey THAT series was really popular, lets print DVDs of that one”, and go to work releasing those. It would get people their anime worldwide around the same time on a “watch before you buy” basis, and they’ll snap alot of the people who mostly watch anime only through fansubs, which means they’ll be making infinitely more money than they are now from that same crowd who, much as many want to support the industry, don’t want to pay $40 a disc, or wait over a year to see a good series.
It might be that you’re right and that free streaming, or another form of digital distribution is going to be just too hard to implement, but it seems to me that it’s the most likely thing to save the industry by getting alot of the fansub watchers to watch something that provides revenue to the actual creators. Sure the hardcore leechers might not get on board, but I’d wager that ALOT of people that watch fansubs almost exclusively do so more because it’s the only real option atm to get their anime now.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Drm: No worries, I think it gives you kind of a unique voice (because there’s lots of apologists and nice people like me), and you do have some useful things to say instead of “you all suck f*** you all”.
I do remember reading something about the conditions of anime workers (seiyuu / animators / etc.), probably on Hashihime or somewhere, and it certainly is worrying. I wonder if this is representative of a lot of the job industry in Japan (mainly because of all the talk in Kaiji about how a few million yen - i.e. a few tens of thousands of dollars - is far out of their reach). How many people would support this cause though, considering that raising their wages will likely drive prices higher? It’s an equally annoying ‘both hands tied’ situation.
Cameron: Pretty much on the money there, I think I mentioned something about how reverse importation is a sign that something’s messed up overseas as well, but if not, there it is. XD I do see how the Youtube-alike crowd is probably an important one; they lie in between the casual viewer (who tends to buy a lot of stuff anyway) and the hardcore Bittorrent user (who is probably hopeless), and most of them are probably teenagers like me with a little disposable income to spare, not being in college yet. How to get them interested though, is the problem; I saw it on your blog or somewhere that the whole “pity the industry and buy stuff please” idea is flawed and won’t work, and I agree, but it’s hard to find an alternative. You can’t just clamp down on the free distribution and risk alienating fans (kind of like how BVUSA did with True Tears and Shigofumi; yeah, that stopped people…), but I don’t think physical property / bonuses like the ones I suggested in the original post will attract a lot of people aside from die-hards like me. And paying for the exact same thing as something that is free is questionable at best.
And on that note -
Nekonron: I’m not familiar with how much revenue online streaming makes; $600K feels a bit high, as that’s be roughly $20K a day, but maybe established companies in the industry could pull it off. It sounds promising, since it would offer a free product and still make money for the company, but there’s some sense of “too good to be true” there. It’s worth a shot at least - I think ADV is trying something similar with the whole “Anime Network On Demand” thing.
(Oh, and regarding ADV’s Blu-ray; I heard Byousoku 5cm was going to be one of the titles for that program. Haven’t seen it yet but I’ve heard it’s stunning and the thought of it in uber-hi-def makes me drool and want a PS3. XD)
Dirian: I read an article about the same thing you proposed a few days ago, and it seems like an intriguing compromise. Adapting to that model though, worries me; the Japanese execs might be too uptight for it, the anime community might feel a sense of “selling out”, and quite a few translation groups have a rather unprofessional manner. (Although, I suppose, the ‘good’ ones contracted would be more professional.) It’d be an interesting bond between industry and consumer that I don’t think could be seen in any other industry.
Free streaming to DVD release, though, I’m not so sure about; that’s kind of the model we’re working off of right now (although the anime companies aren’t gaining anything from the current one), and it’s the question of “I saw it once, would I really want to pay to see it again?” Just because a series is popular doesn’t mean that it’s enduring, I think.
This is good discussion, everyone. Thanks for participating. ^^
March 28th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
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