Comments on: Loli Pop Culture: The great divide http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/ This is a tagline Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:49:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Owen S http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-718 Owen S Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:31:34 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-718 LOL fundamentalists. (Yes, I am calling you a radical/liberal/reformist. ^_~) What you have here in the comments is a prime example of those dead set against a term with ever-changing meaning. I get what you're saying in that the term has morphed substantially from a sexually-charged one to that of a barely-defined aesthetic, and that you're right in pointing out the differences between a loli built to appeal to the carnal sense, rather than the emotional one. I expect to cite this article in later posts as a result. :P KnJ is a diamond in the rough. If you're having trouble locating scans tell me, since I've got it all uploaded somewhere. Won't say anything else lest I give you troubling expectations, but if you've read GTO, well, it's around there in terms of character development and how hard-hitting it is. Too bad Aoki's not as GAR as Onizuka, though, but I suppose the level of GAR is proportionate to how much trouble the students are giving you, anyway... LOL fundamentalists. (Yes, I am calling you a radical/liberal/reformist. ^_~)

What you have here in the comments is a prime example of those dead set against a term with ever-changing meaning. I get what you’re saying in that the term has morphed substantially from a sexually-charged one to that of a barely-defined aesthetic, and that you’re right in pointing out the differences between a loli built to appeal to the carnal sense, rather than the emotional one. I expect to cite this article in later posts as a result. :P

KnJ is a diamond in the rough. If you’re having trouble locating scans tell me, since I’ve got it all uploaded somewhere. Won’t say anything else lest I give you troubling expectations, but if you’ve read GTO, well, it’s around there in terms of character development and how hard-hitting it is. Too bad Aoki’s not as GAR as Onizuka, though, but I suppose the level of GAR is proportionate to how much trouble the students are giving you, anyway…

]]> By: CCY http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-712 CCY Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:45:50 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-712 Mm, this is a fun discussion. XD Glad to see a lot of comments; it does seem that there is a large loli base out there on the internets hiding somewhere. Don't think there will ever be a resolution there, it seems, as I'm seeing in the comments the two different views of loli. I guess a lot of people do only see it as 'sexualized kids' after all (Comment #5: They have to be H-able? Wouldn't that make all lolis "over 18"? :P). Maybe I'm the wrong one, but it sure is interesting seeing the amount of fervor with which people defend loliconism. Or whatever. May have to pick up Stripey's definition after all. Mm, this is a fun discussion. XD Glad to see a lot of comments; it does seem that there is a large loli base out there on the internets hiding somewhere. Don’t think there will ever be a resolution there, it seems, as I’m seeing in the comments the two different views of loli. I guess a lot of people do only see it as ’sexualized kids’ after all (Comment #5: They have to be H-able? Wouldn’t that make all lolis “over 18″? :P).

Maybe I’m the wrong one, but it sure is interesting seeing the amount of fervor with which people defend loliconism. Or whatever. May have to pick up Stripey’s definition after all.

]]> By: nu http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-694 nu Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:53:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-694 Anonymous is an easy name, that's why.<br/>Obviously the last anonymous is a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about loli and also wants to make peoples think he knows anything about it.<br/>As for Lucky Star, you confuse chibification and lolis, though Konota is probably loli since she's supposed to look 11. Anonymous is an easy name, that’s why.
Obviously the last anonymous is a fucking idiot who doesn’t know shit about loli and also wants to make peoples think he knows anything about it.
As for Lucky Star, you confuse chibification and lolis, though Konota is probably loli since she’s supposed to look 11.

]]> By: Nekonron http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-693 Nekonron Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:34:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-693 Amazing how ppl loves to bash others while hiding behind the veil of "anonymous". They don't even bother to put in a nickname =/<br/><br/>I actually think that one of Lucky Star's main attractions is its lolicon nature. Not just the main cast, but everyone in the series is drawn in a "loli" fashion - short, young, etc.<br/><br/>I had at first thought that the entire cast is no older than 12, and that the policewoman (Cousin Yui) in the OP was really a 14yr old XD Amazing how ppl loves to bash others while hiding behind the veil of “anonymous”. They don’t even bother to put in a nickname =/

I actually think that one of Lucky Star’s main attractions is its lolicon nature. Not just the main cast, but everyone in the series is drawn in a “loli” fashion - short, young, etc.

I had at first thought that the entire cast is no older than 12, and that the policewoman (Cousin Yui) in the OP was really a 14yr old XD

]]> By: Anonymous http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-692 Anonymous Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:41:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-692 Dude, ignore the Anons above. Anyone who thinks it's a 'problem' that you're not a lolicon and that consequently you have no right to talk about the issue is an idiot. Basically the definition of an anime 'loli' is a drawn or CGI little girl showing only the earliest signs of puberty. Sad bastards like to fantasise about abusing them with their tiny cocks due to imagining them not just laughing at their pathetic faces. Basically pedophiles without the balls to admit little kids turn them on - its 'animated' so not real, apparently. IMHO, <b>if you wank over kids, drawn or photographed - congratulations, you are a sick fu*k.</b> Now kindly die young. CCY, keep up the good work Dude, ignore the Anons above. Anyone who thinks it’s a ‘problem’ that you’re not a lolicon and that consequently you have no right to talk about the issue is an idiot. Basically the definition of an anime ‘loli’ is a drawn or CGI little girl showing only the earliest signs of puberty. Sad bastards like to fantasise about abusing them with their tiny cocks due to imagining them not just laughing at their pathetic faces. Basically pedophiles without the balls to admit little kids turn them on - its ‘animated’ so not real, apparently. IMHO, if you wank over kids, drawn or photographed - congratulations, you are a sick fu*k. Now kindly die young. CCY, keep up the good work

]]> By: Iknight http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-691 Iknight Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:39:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-691 Ouch. Talk about a loli mafia, indeed. Ouch. Talk about a loli mafia, indeed.

]]> By: Anonymous http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-690 Anonymous Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:25:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-690 I also agree with anonymous #2:<br/>You are clueless about loli and write a whole essay about your non knowledge of it.<br/>You'd just need to go and agree with stripey about any of the DCII girls to be lolis to make every lolicons of the world laugh at you along with stripey who obviously doesn't even have a slight clue about loli and think he knows everything about something he doesn't know shit about.<br/>Seriously it's fucking simple, loli has nothing to do with how the character react it only has to do with 2 things:<br/>1) small<br/>2) delicious flat chest<br/>Therefore yes, Hagu is loli@stripey, that's the only thing I can actually agree about with you (but that doesn't change you don't know crap about it if you start calling chars from dc2 lolis) I also agree with anonymous #2:
You are clueless about loli and write a whole essay about your non knowledge of it.
You’d just need to go and agree with stripey about any of the DCII girls to be lolis to make every lolicons of the world laugh at you along with stripey who obviously doesn’t even have a slight clue about loli and think he knows everything about something he doesn’t know shit about.
Seriously it’s fucking simple, loli has nothing to do with how the character react it only has to do with 2 things:
1) small
2) delicious flat chest
Therefore yes, Hagu is loli@stripey, that’s the only thing I can actually agree about with you (but that doesn’t change you don’t know crap about it if you start calling chars from dc2 lolis)

]]> By: Anonymous http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-689 Anonymous Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:20:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-689 Very long post indeed. The fact is you fail at understanding what's loli, because you're not a lolicon yourself. That's the main problem.<br/>Loli has nothing to do with comparasons, it has to do with how the character looks.<br/>Example of recent loli characters from 'loli related' shows:<br/>Ryofuko-chan<br/>Kokonoe Rin<br/>Ink-chan<br/><br/>Primula and Ayu themselves are no way in hell loli, it's even more obvious if you played the game or checked the HCGs (usually faster through the HCGs though).<br/>Also, Key and Navel are known to not be doing loli (though it is no longer the case for Navel and maybe soon same for Key if Kuro is H-able in LB EX) in their games.<br/>Examples:<br/>Soul Link (Navel) : the potential H-scene with Nanami is stopped before anything really starts.<br/>Air (Key) : the red-haired loli isn't H-able apparently. Very long post indeed. The fact is you fail at understanding what’s loli, because you’re not a lolicon yourself. That’s the main problem.
Loli has nothing to do with comparasons, it has to do with how the character looks.
Example of recent loli characters from ‘loli related’ shows:
Ryofuko-chan
Kokonoe Rin
Ink-chan

Primula and Ayu themselves are no way in hell loli, it’s even more obvious if you played the game or checked the HCGs (usually faster through the HCGs though).
Also, Key and Navel are known to not be doing loli (though it is no longer the case for Navel and maybe soon same for Key if Kuro is H-able in LB EX) in their games.
Examples:
Soul Link (Navel) : the potential H-scene with Nanami is stopped before anything really starts.
Air (Key) : the red-haired loli isn’t H-able apparently.

]]> By: Jason http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-688 Jason Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:00:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-688 Interesting post... I'll write a response to it later.<br/><br/>I consider any character under fourteen and with little to no chest to be a loli. That's why I consider Sakura Kinomoto and Shana to be loli. Interesting post… I’ll write a response to it later.

I consider any character under fourteen and with little to no chest to be a loli. That’s why I consider Sakura Kinomoto and Shana to be loli.

]]> By: Stripey http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-686 Stripey Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:47:00 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/loli-pop-culture-the-great-divide/441/#comment-686 *pure and innocent cough* XD<br/><br/>I like the idea of a relative loli Some characters just naturally slip into that role as if it's a niche carved out when the cast comes together. I think of Hagu from Honey and Clover. She's the same age as StrikerS Fate but she looks younger than Fate in Nanoha As yet we can't call her a loli? <br/><br/>There are plenty of semantics Nazis out there and I may have been lambasted for using 'loli' on the cast of DCII. They just miss the point. Often when we use the word, it's more to associate loli attributes with the character and the problem is there are widely differing views on what are loli-attributes. Instead of attacking its usage, it'd be better to understand the angle from which the writer is coming from. <br/><br/>This was one of the things that made start using the word 'lolicious' to describe 13-17 yr old bishoujos so as not to attract the loli-Gestapo. <br/><br/>Good read btw. :) *pure and innocent cough* XD

I like the idea of a relative loli Some characters just naturally slip into that role as if it’s a niche carved out when the cast comes together. I think of Hagu from Honey and Clover. She’s the same age as StrikerS Fate but she looks younger than Fate in Nanoha As yet we can’t call her a loli?

There are plenty of semantics Nazis out there and I may have been lambasted for using ‘loli’ on the cast of DCII. They just miss the point. Often when we use the word, it’s more to associate loli attributes with the character and the problem is there are widely differing views on what are loli-attributes. Instead of attacking its usage, it’d be better to understand the angle from which the writer is coming from.

This was one of the things that made start using the word ‘lolicious’ to describe 13-17 yr old bishoujos so as not to attract the loli-Gestapo.

Good read btw. :)

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