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	<title>Comments on: Gyabo and Kiss! The evolution of shoujo romance?</title>
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		<title>By: What is in a moment: On the semantics of Moe and GAR &#171; In Search of Number Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is in a moment: On the semantics of Moe and GAR &#171; In Search of Number Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Okay so I won&#8217;t lie this post is largely inspired by this post and this post and this post, even though that last one doesn&#8217;t really have anything to do with the topic it got me [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Okay so I won&#8217;t lie this post is largely inspired by this post and this post and this post, even though that last one doesn&#8217;t really have anything to do with the topic it got me [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more you specialise, the more you alienate. My guess here is that elements like bishounen and moe both cater specifically to the shoujo/shounen demographic and &quot;specialises&quot; more, as opposed to both Nodame (haven&#039;t seen this one though) and kimikiss, which have a very common denominator in their realism, so much so that regardless of target audience, you can&#039;t help but like it?

I mean, Honey &amp; Clover was a josei series, and look how well it was received by both genders. Regarding shoujo specifically I think the reason for Fruits Basket and Ouran being so successful with the guys was how it was hilarious -- the strong comedic bent of both ensured that regardless of how many bishies were thrown at the heroine, you didn&#039;t blink an eyelid because.. one would be a pseudo-homo, another a crossdresser, another a maniacal genius, and so on. 

Ultimately the shell, or setting in which characters are placed don&#039;t matter so much as what&#039;s inside the shell or setting. That, at least, I think, is what Key bases its characters on, and which also fails quite badly till Clannad, where they&#039;ve sort-of got it right. Key fails in that respect for making both the shell &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; the character so foreign that you can&#039;t identify with either -- a huge contrast from soft sci-fi, where despite the presence of aliens (or time-travellers, or ESPers) or settings so far removed from the present you still can relate to them due to the elements of humanity presented by the characters themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more you specialise, the more you alienate. My guess here is that elements like bishounen and moe both cater specifically to the shoujo/shounen demographic and &#8220;specialises&#8221; more, as opposed to both Nodame (haven&#8217;t seen this one though) and kimikiss, which have a very common denominator in their realism, so much so that regardless of target audience, you can&#8217;t help but like it?</p>
<p>I mean, Honey &#038; Clover was a josei series, and look how well it was received by both genders. Regarding shoujo specifically I think the reason for Fruits Basket and Ouran being so successful with the guys was how it was hilarious &#8212; the strong comedic bent of both ensured that regardless of how many bishies were thrown at the heroine, you didn&#8217;t blink an eyelid because.. one would be a pseudo-homo, another a crossdresser, another a maniacal genius, and so on. </p>
<p>Ultimately the shell, or setting in which characters are placed don&#8217;t matter so much as what&#8217;s inside the shell or setting. That, at least, I think, is what Key bases its characters on, and which also fails quite badly till Clannad, where they&#8217;ve sort-of got it right. Key fails in that respect for making both the shell <i>and</i> the character so foreign that you can&#8217;t identify with either &#8212; a huge contrast from soft sci-fi, where despite the presence of aliens (or time-travellers, or ESPers) or settings so far removed from the present you still can relate to them due to the elements of humanity presented by the characters themselves.</p>
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