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		<title>By: Overly Romantic Shipping &#171; Simplicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overly Romantic Shipping &#171; Simplicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to write this up. Well, it&#8217;s something that&#8217;s been on my mind since I read CCY&#8217;s post on shipping. Why am I so rabid about my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to write this up. Well, it&#8217;s something that&#8217;s been on my mind since I read CCY&#8217;s post on shipping. Why am I so rabid about my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CCY</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@issa-sa:&lt;/strong&gt; Never got around to commenting on your post about dropping S.A., but the 12th episode actually wasn&#039;t too bad and had some good Kei x Hikari moments. It&#039;s tough to reccomend it on that still, since there doesn&#039;t seem to be much advancement going on in the story most of the time... which is why perhaps shippers have to take matters into their own hands. Haha, had to tie it in somehow.

And sometimes I find I like a character because they get the short end of the stick, so I agree with you there about &#039;if the story makes sense, I&#039;m ok with it&#039; point.

&lt;strong&gt;@Fuyu Maiden:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, any time favorites get involved in really any discussion, it tends to get messy. Still, although it&#039;s dangerous, it&#039;s also a lot of fun. I guess it&#039;s some sort of allegory for real life or something - getting involved can bring you great joy or sorrow. Man, I really should become a poet at this rate I&#039;m replying to comments! XD

And Ikuto ... yeah, I&#039;m behind on all fronts. Skimmed the manga so maybe I didn&#039;t pick up on Ikuto&#039;s intricacies which made him better in your eyes. Plus, I only follow fansubs. I don&#039;t know - the main point I remember from Ikuto is &#039;flirty&#039;, and compared to Kairi&#039;s &#039;fool-in-love&#039;, Kukai&#039;s &#039;maturely carefree&#039;, and Nagehiko&#039;s &#039;flirty (except cooler and more mature)&#039;, he doesn&#039;t add up. For now.

&lt;strong&gt;@Mikoto&lt;/strong&gt; (who lives again, somehow XD): Nice fix with the quote; that was what I meant.

Luckily (or perhaps unfortunately) I stay away from fanfiction on the most part (although I suppose doujins count as a similar kind of fanwork), so most of my exposure to shipping has been on the mostly rational side, in discussion on blogs or mature forums. Although, one of my worst enemies is myself: I get really bad with some shows in terms of wanting everyone to get pairing off ... which gets kind of ridiculous.
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@otou-san:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, visual novel / harems have definitely contributed a lot to the less-standard form of shipping, but I still think that shoujo-style shows, far and away, are shipper central. Just look at me when I watch my current three shoujo (S.A / ItaKiss / Shugo Chara). 

Never thought of the recent surge in &#039;pandering&#039; - at the very least, the moe trend is taking center stage - as a force that increases the urge to ship. I do think you have a point - if characters pander more to a viewer&#039;s interests, they&#039;re more likely to get invested in them, and as such, wish harder for a happy end for them ... no matter what it takes.

&lt;strong&gt;@FFVIIKnight:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, it really depends on whether a writer composes out of respect for a series, or whether they just want to right the &#039;wrongs&#039; of something by creating their own canon. I suppose it&#039;s not bad all the time ... but this is an instance of &#039;the ugly majority&#039; for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@issa-sa:</strong> Never got around to commenting on your post about dropping S.A., but the 12th episode actually wasn&#8217;t too bad and had some good Kei x Hikari moments. It&#8217;s tough to reccomend it on that still, since there doesn&#8217;t seem to be much advancement going on in the story most of the time&#8230; which is why perhaps shippers have to take matters into their own hands. Haha, had to tie it in somehow.</p>
<p>And sometimes I find I like a character because they get the short end of the stick, so I agree with you there about &#8216;if the story makes sense, I&#8217;m ok with it&#8217; point.</p>
<p><strong>@Fuyu Maiden:</strong> Yeah, any time favorites get involved in really any discussion, it tends to get messy. Still, although it&#8217;s dangerous, it&#8217;s also a lot of fun. I guess it&#8217;s some sort of allegory for real life or something &#8211; getting involved can bring you great joy or sorrow. Man, I really should become a poet at this rate I&#8217;m replying to comments! XD</p>
<p>And Ikuto &#8230; yeah, I&#8217;m behind on all fronts. Skimmed the manga so maybe I didn&#8217;t pick up on Ikuto&#8217;s intricacies which made him better in your eyes. Plus, I only follow fansubs. I don&#8217;t know &#8211; the main point I remember from Ikuto is &#8216;flirty&#8217;, and compared to Kairi&#8217;s &#8216;fool-in-love&#8217;, Kukai&#8217;s &#8216;maturely carefree&#8217;, and Nagehiko&#8217;s &#8216;flirty (except cooler and more mature)&#8217;, he doesn&#8217;t add up. For now.</p>
<p><strong>@Mikoto</strong> (who lives again, somehow XD): Nice fix with the quote; that was what I meant.</p>
<p>Luckily (or perhaps unfortunately) I stay away from fanfiction on the most part (although I suppose doujins count as a similar kind of fanwork), so most of my exposure to shipping has been on the mostly rational side, in discussion on blogs or mature forums. Although, one of my worst enemies is myself: I get really bad with some shows in terms of wanting everyone to get pairing off &#8230; which gets kind of ridiculous.<br />
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@otou-san:</strong> Yeah, visual novel / harems have definitely contributed a lot to the less-standard form of shipping, but I still think that shoujo-style shows, far and away, are shipper central. Just look at me when I watch my current three shoujo (S.A / ItaKiss / Shugo Chara). </p>
<p>Never thought of the recent surge in &#8216;pandering&#8217; &#8211; at the very least, the moe trend is taking center stage &#8211; as a force that increases the urge to ship. I do think you have a point &#8211; if characters pander more to a viewer&#8217;s interests, they&#8217;re more likely to get invested in them, and as such, wish harder for a happy end for them &#8230; no matter what it takes.</p>
<p><strong>@FFVIIKnight:</strong> Yeah, it really depends on whether a writer composes out of respect for a series, or whether they just want to right the &#8216;wrongs&#8217; of something by creating their own canon. I suppose it&#8217;s not bad all the time &#8230; but this is an instance of &#8216;the ugly majority&#8217; for me.</p>
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		<title>By: FFVIIKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>FFVIIKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Though those kinds of people only annoy me to a higher extent when it comes to fanfiction, making the characters borderline OOC in order for it to work?&quot;

Fanfiction by itself is dangerous as some writers feel obligated to make the characters OOC to fit their plot... which ruins not only those characters but the series as well. Epic fail.

My first case of shipping? Rei vs Asuka from Evangelion. Besides this, I haven&#039;t experienced extreme fanaticism over a pairing... yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Though those kinds of people only annoy me to a higher extent when it comes to fanfiction, making the characters borderline OOC in order for it to work?&#8221;</p>
<p>Fanfiction by itself is dangerous as some writers feel obligated to make the characters OOC to fit their plot&#8230; which ruins not only those characters but the series as well. Epic fail.</p>
<p>My first case of shipping? Rei vs Asuka from Evangelion. Besides this, I haven&#8217;t experienced extreme fanaticism over a pairing&#8230; yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize this kind of practice even existed until I saw some really serious wars going on last season during True Tears when people talked like they were going to jump through the Internet at me for suggesting that Shinichirou should finish the series hooked up with anyone but the crazy girl. This all being, of course, counter to the plot. 

I&#039;m going to go ahead and make some assumptions based on... what I pull out of my ass, basically. 

First: In the past few years, we&#039;ve seen a lot of visual novel adaptations, which of course encourage viewers to root for a particular girl because they get to pick one in the source material. Some viewers likely have become &quot;spoiled&quot; by being &lt;em&gt;able&lt;/em&gt; to have the cake and eat it, as you say. Hence the Clannad you mentioned. But I thought that tennis ball scene was amazing, and it wouldn&#039;t have worked any other way.

Secondly, I think (again unscientifically) that there has been a lot more pandering and fan-baiting in TV anime in the past few years, to the point where fans may actually &lt;em&gt;get&lt;/em&gt; what they want. Look at say, Geass, much as I hate for it to be my scapegoat for everything. There&#039;s something for everyone there. Regardless of what an actual story may dictate, creators end up throwing the Love Hina factor in -- yes, we have a real plot with a real pairing (if it calls for a pairing), but there wouldn&#039;t be 5 other archetypes fanservicing around in towels or whatever if you weren&#039;t intended to imagine &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt; between character X and character Y, one of which is bound to be a proxy for your ronery ronery self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize this kind of practice even existed until I saw some really serious wars going on last season during True Tears when people talked like they were going to jump through the Internet at me for suggesting that Shinichirou should finish the series hooked up with anyone but the crazy girl. This all being, of course, counter to the plot. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to go ahead and make some assumptions based on&#8230; what I pull out of my ass, basically. </p>
<p>First: In the past few years, we&#8217;ve seen a lot of visual novel adaptations, which of course encourage viewers to root for a particular girl because they get to pick one in the source material. Some viewers likely have become &#8220;spoiled&#8221; by being <em>able</em> to have the cake and eat it, as you say. Hence the Clannad you mentioned. But I thought that tennis ball scene was amazing, and it wouldn&#8217;t have worked any other way.</p>
<p>Secondly, I think (again unscientifically) that there has been a lot more pandering and fan-baiting in TV anime in the past few years, to the point where fans may actually <em>get</em> what they want. Look at say, Geass, much as I hate for it to be my scapegoat for everything. There&#8217;s something for everyone there. Regardless of what an actual story may dictate, creators end up throwing the Love Hina factor in &#8212; yes, we have a real plot with a real pairing (if it calls for a pairing), but there wouldn&#8217;t be 5 other archetypes fanservicing around in towels or whatever if you weren&#8217;t intended to imagine <em>something</em> between character X and character Y, one of which is bound to be a proxy for your ronery ronery self.</p>
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		<title>By: xXMikotoNakadaiXx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xXMikotoNakadaiXx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Basically, person who dreams at night of odd couplings = okay, person who dreams at night of odd couplings and promptly posts about it to twenty tangentially related message boards in &lt;strong&gt;outside topics that actually want anything to do with it&lt;/strong&gt; = bad.&quot;

Fixed.

Though those kinds of people only annoy me to a higher extent when it comes to fanfiction, making the characters borderline OOC in order for it to work... and people that pair [insert hawt bishounen] with every single object and person that pops up on screen. (Funnily enough, the term &quot;shipping&quot; first took its anime-roots from &lt;strong&gt;Pokemon&lt;/strong&gt;, which is famous for its nearly impossible crack human/furry/yaoi/yuri/het  pairings, most having to do with the main character. &gt;_&gt;;)

This might stem from the fact that I&#039;m just a boring person who&#039;s only interested in plausible shippings. OTL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Basically, person who dreams at night of odd couplings = okay, person who dreams at night of odd couplings and promptly posts about it to twenty tangentially related message boards in <strong>outside topics that actually want anything to do with it</strong> = bad.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fixed.</p>
<p>Though those kinds of people only annoy me to a higher extent when it comes to fanfiction, making the characters borderline OOC in order for it to work&#8230; and people that pair [insert hawt bishounen] with every single object and person that pops up on screen. (Funnily enough, the term &#8220;shipping&#8221; first took its anime-roots from <strong>Pokemon</strong>, which is famous for its nearly impossible crack human/furry/yaoi/yuri/het  pairings, most having to do with the main character. >_>;)</p>
<p>This might stem from the fact that I&#8217;m just a boring person who&#8217;s only interested in plausible shippings. OTL</p>
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		<title>By: FuyuMaiden</title>
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		<dc:creator>FuyuMaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shipping is just about the most dangerous past time you can be a part of in the anime fandom online (excluding any discussions about lolicons and perverts of course). But it&#039;s pretty much impossible to avoid if there&#039;s more than one guy or girl showing interest in the main character. Everyone has a favorite (I even got sucked into shipping for a series I swore I never would).

But people who support impossible pairings too seriously always bother me for some reason. And people who keep being all rabid for their pairing after the series has ended and there ended up being another pairing. It&#039;s just annoying at that point to me. But I think I just take my shipping too seriously and like to establish rules that no one else follows...

And as far as Ikuto not being the best outside his flirting, I know &lt;em&gt;someone&lt;/em&gt; isn&#039;t reading the manga...or at least up to date with all the spoilers really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shipping is just about the most dangerous past time you can be a part of in the anime fandom online (excluding any discussions about lolicons and perverts of course). But it&#8217;s pretty much impossible to avoid if there&#8217;s more than one guy or girl showing interest in the main character. Everyone has a favorite (I even got sucked into shipping for a series I swore I never would).</p>
<p>But people who support impossible pairings too seriously always bother me for some reason. And people who keep being all rabid for their pairing after the series has ended and there ended up being another pairing. It&#8217;s just annoying at that point to me. But I think I just take my shipping too seriously and like to establish rules that no one else follows&#8230;</p>
<p>And as far as Ikuto not being the best outside his flirting, I know <em>someone</em> isn&#8217;t reading the manga&#8230;or at least up to date with all the spoilers really.</p>
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		<title>By: issa-sa</title>
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		<dc:creator>issa-sa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the story leading to whoever it is the main character picks in the end works, I&#039;m usually fine with it even if the character I prefer gets the shorter end of the stick (Da Capo comes to mind).
But shipping is an inevitable when you have at least 2 characters in the show (regardless of gender and genre), even the canon couples still get &#039;shipped&#039; as much as the non-ones. Of course, the only real &#039;problem&#039; with shipping is the obsessive desire to twist the character/story to suit your own means, but I suppose everyone has their ways of &#039;expressing creativity&#039;...
(And Tadashi is nearly superior than the rest of S.A. combined. Remind me if there&#039;s another episode devoted to him so that I can undrop it momentarily to watch more of him :P)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the story leading to whoever it is the main character picks in the end works, I&#8217;m usually fine with it even if the character I prefer gets the shorter end of the stick (Da Capo comes to mind).<br />
But shipping is an inevitable when you have at least 2 characters in the show (regardless of gender and genre), even the canon couples still get &#8217;shipped&#8217; as much as the non-ones. Of course, the only real &#8216;problem&#8217; with shipping is the obsessive desire to twist the character/story to suit your own means, but I suppose everyone has their ways of &#8216;expressing creativity&#8217;&#8230;<br />
(And Tadashi is nearly superior than the rest of S.A. combined. Remind me if there&#8217;s another episode devoted to him so that I can undrop it momentarily to watch more of him :P)</p>
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