Comments on: A Cardcaptor in the 21st Century: Shugo Chara 25, changing of the guardians http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/ Hell and Heaven Moéltdown Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:58:09 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: bluemist http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/comment-page-1/#comment-1667 bluemist Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:58:32 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/?p=500#comment-1667 Yup, CCS and Shugo Chara is a generation apart so we can't exactly compare each because their circumstances are different. As both you and Owen suggested, 'maybe' CCS was before 'lolicon' became a household name in anime, before eroge and before bishoujo-posing-as-mahou-shoujo animes. Mainstream anime markets and otaku markets may have changed since then. Even my personal outlook may have changed. Maybe looking back now CCS may not be the revolutionary show that I had thought of it as before (it is one of my very first anime shows watched), if I count my fandom angle out of it. Beyond that though, I would agree that Shugo Chara embodies the same character development and themes that made Cardcaptor Sakura great. I was just pointing out about mainstream popularity, in which maybe this kind of formula won't appeal to today's 'kids'. Yup, CCS and Shugo Chara is a generation apart so we can’t exactly compare each because their circumstances are different. As both you and Owen suggested, ‘maybe’ CCS was before ‘lolicon’ became a household name in anime, before eroge and before bishoujo-posing-as-mahou-shoujo animes. Mainstream anime markets and otaku markets may have changed since then. Even my personal outlook may have changed. Maybe looking back now CCS may not be the revolutionary show that I had thought of it as before (it is one of my very first anime shows watched), if I count my fandom angle out of it.

Beyond that though, I would agree that Shugo Chara embodies the same character development and themes that made Cardcaptor Sakura great. I was just pointing out about mainstream popularity, in which maybe this kind of formula won’t appeal to today’s ‘kids’.

]]> By: CCY http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/comment-page-1/#comment-1656 CCY Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:09:33 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/?p=500#comment-1656 <strong>@usagijen:</strong> I heard Ikuto was a lot cooler in the manga (people like Hinano have said he's way more emo compared to manga Ikuto ... I can't tell, personally), is that true? He's a good and flirty character now and great fun to watch but as he is now I would prefer to be all innocent and 'pure rabu-rabu' and support someone like Nagehiko, who is equally crafty, more wise, and less harassing. <strong>@Everyone else (since it's one giant "CCS is better!" "No it isn't!" discussion):</strong> Let me preface this by saying SC! and CCS are really my two main magical girl experiences, NanaDrops is the only other thing in between, so I don't have much of a landmark with which to use as a middle ground. CCS is a curious show, mainly because I think it's impossible to judge objectively. It's one of those 'gateway anime', the first anime for a lot of people, and so that will taint a lot of people's views on it (mine included). Undoubtedly it's an anime that is Quite Good but the question is whether it really is a legend or just an inflated image as a result of the rose-colored memories? (Additionally, for me it was back in sixth grade, before I knew what pedophilia was.) Shugo Chara feels like it can match Cardcaptor Sakura in terms of depth and character development on a good level, shown in the fleshing-out of the guardians (Amu needs no explanation; Nagehiko's top-notch, personally; Kukai is a cool-headed character with a good head on his feet; Yaya and Tadase are the weak links) and of the villains (Ikuto and Utau both have questionable loyalties; we've seen Nikaidou change as well). The ending episodes of Shugo Chara are probably what will decide it; Cardcaptor Sakura did a great job at having no Big Evil, instead a bunch of characters with motives that seemed malicious but were actually constructive in purpose. Everyone was a respectable character, and it's no doubt that we got to see them grow over the course of the show. Whether Shugo Chara can accomplish that will be the critical point for me. I think the two of them are in relatively the same 'feel-good' genre, unlike what <strong>bluemist</strong> suggests; there are some more mature themes with characters like Ikuto, but in the end it's still all about the characters feeling confident in themselves and happy in general. That's the main reason why I likened Shugo Chara to CCS; even if it doesn't top it (which is a tough bar, personally), matching it will be more than a treat. Sorry for being so wordy; it was an interesting topic, and perhaps I'll expand it to a post later on in the show's run. @usagijen: I heard Ikuto was a lot cooler in the manga (people like Hinano have said he’s way more emo compared to manga Ikuto … I can’t tell, personally), is that true? He’s a good and flirty character now and great fun to watch but as he is now I would prefer to be all innocent and ‘pure rabu-rabu’ and support someone like Nagehiko, who is equally crafty, more wise, and less harassing.

@Everyone else (since it’s one giant “CCS is better!” “No it isn’t!” discussion): Let me preface this by saying SC! and CCS are really my two main magical girl experiences, NanaDrops is the only other thing in between, so I don’t have much of a landmark with which to use as a middle ground.

CCS is a curious show, mainly because I think it’s impossible to judge objectively. It’s one of those ‘gateway anime’, the first anime for a lot of people, and so that will taint a lot of people’s views on it (mine included). Undoubtedly it’s an anime that is Quite Good but the question is whether it really is a legend or just an inflated image as a result of the rose-colored memories?

(Additionally, for me it was back in sixth grade, before I knew what pedophilia was.)

Shugo Chara feels like it can match Cardcaptor Sakura in terms of depth and character development on a good level, shown in the fleshing-out of the guardians (Amu needs no explanation; Nagehiko’s top-notch, personally; Kukai is a cool-headed character with a good head on his feet; Yaya and Tadase are the weak links) and of the villains (Ikuto and Utau both have questionable loyalties; we’ve seen Nikaidou change as well).

The ending episodes of Shugo Chara are probably what will decide it; Cardcaptor Sakura did a great job at having no Big Evil, instead a bunch of characters with motives that seemed malicious but were actually constructive in purpose. Everyone was a respectable character, and it’s no doubt that we got to see them grow over the course of the show. Whether Shugo Chara can accomplish that will be the critical point for me.

I think the two of them are in relatively the same ‘feel-good’ genre, unlike what bluemist suggests; there are some more mature themes with characters like Ikuto, but in the end it’s still all about the characters feeling confident in themselves and happy in general. That’s the main reason why I likened Shugo Chara to CCS; even if it doesn’t top it (which is a tough bar, personally), matching it will be more than a treat.

Sorry for being so wordy; it was an interesting topic, and perhaps I’ll expand it to a post later on in the show’s run.

]]> By: Asuka http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/comment-page-1/#comment-1640 Asuka Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:51:21 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/?p=500#comment-1640 To me, Shugo Chara will never be even half as good as CCS. Everything from the formula to character design to character depth are all sub-par in comparison to CCS. But you're right - it does somewhat revive the mahou shoujo genre to some degree. To me, Shugo Chara will never be even half as good as CCS. Everything from the formula to character design to character depth are all sub-par in comparison to CCS. But you’re right – it does somewhat revive the mahou shoujo genre to some degree.

]]> By: Owen S http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/comment-page-1/#comment-1639 Owen S Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:34:46 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/?p=500#comment-1639 I don't know about bluemist but <a href="http://www.riuva.com/?p=1072" rel="nofollow">according to tj</a>, for a show that started airing last year (as opposed to Pretty Cure's debut in 2004), it's doing pretty well in terms of ratings. What's with giving CCS so much credit, anyway? It's nothing particularly special, considering that CLAMP threw in ridiculous amounts of (implied) fanservice that I doubt would work all that well today. Or maybe lolicon and its ilk weren't all that common then, but I have no proof of this, so yeah. I don’t know about bluemist but according to tj, for a show that started airing last year (as opposed to Pretty Cure’s debut in 2004), it’s doing pretty well in terms of ratings. What’s with giving CCS so much credit, anyway? It’s nothing particularly special, considering that CLAMP threw in ridiculous amounts of (implied) fanservice that I doubt would work all that well today.

Or maybe lolicon and its ilk weren’t all that common then, but I have no proof of this, so yeah.

]]> By: usagijen http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/comment-page-1/#comment-1434 usagijen Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:11:57 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/?p=500#comment-1434 oh, and Happy Anniversary CCYoshi! =D oh, and Happy Anniversary CCYoshi! =D

]]> By: usagijen http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/comment-page-1/#comment-1433 usagijen Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:49:55 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/?p=500#comment-1433 Nagihiko will never be at par with Ikuto, coz badass naughty guys with a mysterious past shall prevail in the end! :P That said, I really have to catch up with the Shugo Chara anime x_x Nagihiko will never be at par with Ikuto, coz badass naughty guys with a mysterious past shall prevail in the end! :P
That said, I really have to catch up with the Shugo Chara anime x_x

]]> By: bluemist http://m3.dasaku.net/a-cardcaptor-in-the-21st-century-shugo-chara-25-changing-of-the-guardians/500/comment-page-1/#comment-1427 bluemist Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:42:08 +0000 http://m3.dasaku.net/?p=500#comment-1427 Dunno, for me you're giving Shugo Chara too much credit by naming it to be the next Cardcaptor Sakura in terms of popular appeal. I'd personally compare it to Full Moon wo Sagashite, as a somewhat darker take on the mahou shoujo genre. Unfortunately for the two shows, characters become too complex in that the younger audience would get shafted later on. Cardcaptor Sakura provided a perfect balance of typical mahou shoujo goodness with the character dynamics popular in CLAMP series, they just got it right so as to not alienate kids too much. Shugo Chara is still a great show, for us, but for Japanese youngsters, I think they're more inclined to tune in to Pretty Cure instead. Dunno, for me you’re giving Shugo Chara too much credit by naming it to be the next Cardcaptor Sakura in terms of popular appeal. I’d personally compare it to Full Moon wo Sagashite, as a somewhat darker take on the mahou shoujo genre. Unfortunately for the two shows, characters become too complex in that the younger audience would get shafted later on.

Cardcaptor Sakura provided a perfect balance of typical mahou shoujo goodness with the character dynamics popular in CLAMP series, they just got it right so as to not alienate kids too much. Shugo Chara is still a great show, for us, but for Japanese youngsters, I think they’re more inclined to tune in to Pretty Cure instead.

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